Turning Wounds into Wisdom: The Power of Storytelling with Sussi Mattsson

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Imagine being eight years old, standing
on the edge of a decision that could

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seal your fate, the line between
a life of fear or a bold leap

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into the unknown. Welcome to the
Santhra life. I'm your host, Adam

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Gamwell and our guest, Susie Mattson
took this exact journey, and as an

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adult, after journeying back into childhood, unearthing the secrets buried deep within trauma

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and transforming them into strength, hope, and a pathway forward. Susie's on

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a mission to help others turn personal
trauma into collective healing. As the founder

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of the global movement from Me to
You, she offers a pathway to healing

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through a method called wisdom letter writing. She's been a guiding life for people

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globally, helping unearth their unique stories
and transform them into cathartic healing narratives.

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Today, she joins me for an
enlightening conversation about healing, leadership, empathy,

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and turning trials into triumphs. So
buckle up as we dive in into

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the intersections of our past, our
presence in our future will surface with newfound

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wisdom and the power to redirect our
life's trajectory, well, the journey together.

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Welcome to this central life. The
reason why I started for me to

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view a global movement was that I
found myself in two thy twelve very successful

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in my business, yet not in
my personal life. I felt I had

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no meaningful, purpose fulfilled life.
So I understood that I needed to go

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back in time to connect the dot
and revisit my childhood trauma in order to

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move forward successfully. So what I
did was that when I was eight years

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old, I found out that my
father was about to tell me to strangers

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in a foreign country, and this
was just six months after my mom passed

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away from cancer. So in order
to not board that plane straight to Hell,

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I come up with the idea to
run away from home. So I

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did that, and in twenty twelve, processing my past, I was not

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able to identify myself with that little
kid who was eight years old and who

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was so courageous and brave and followed
through with actions. So I decided at

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least to write her a letter and
say thank you. And that was a

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transformational event that took place when I
literally thanked her for saving my life.

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So that was the starting point.
How writing is healing, and I was

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really interesting in what specific key factors
do we need to have in a healing

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letter addressing a past trauma. So
after eight years of studying how writing is

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healing, I created this now proven
method for step method out there with the

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letter writing. That's the story behind
the creation and why we are here today.

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Thank you for sharing that, And
I know it's a an incredibly heart

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wrenching story to think about. You
know, how does how do especially as

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kids, how do we deal with
these these you know, in this case,

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like very traumatic moments that are they're
way outside of our control. And

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I think something you say there too
that that really strikes me too. Is

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this the power of you know,
finding an ally, even if it is

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oneself in the future looking back,
you know, to to oneself as a

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child, and how important it is
to have either somebody standing with you,

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you know, standing by you,
and to kind of acknowledge the work that

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you're doing. You know. And
kids can obviously be very brave in moments,

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and sometimes they don't recognize it themselves
right there there, maybe in survival

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mode. But then you know,
when when realizing that that one has an

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ally or someone to standing with them
it can make all the difference. And

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so I think that that's a really
powerful thing to kind of contemplate on.

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And So one thing that you said
that stands out to me that I'd love

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to think about is that there's an
importance of connecting the dots, as you

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said, right to who I am
today and how I how I got there.

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And so is that an element that
you know, when you're working with

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folks and helping them kind of coaching
them into into writing wisdom. Do do

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you find that that's a challenge point
that a lot of people have that they

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don't quite know how to or either
are uncomfortable kind of connecting the dots to

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their past to where they are today, And like, is that one of

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the challenge points as I try to
figure out, you know, how I

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can either move forward or like you
know, become a more wise self those

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you know, connecting those dots as
an important part. So how I guess

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how important is thinking there's someone's past
for their present in the future. Well,

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usually I have coaching clients around the
world. Usually our subconscious mind is

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creating those tools sucking I'm sorry to
say, but soul sucking survival pattern and

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and they become our normal. And
then we also subconsciously build those invisible walls

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around our heart because we we believe
they will kind of save us, you

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know, from pain. And so
the first thing that anyone needs to do

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is to acknowledge exactly what happened to
me, and that is that that is

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absolutely the first step, because if
we cannot acknowledge it because a lot of

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people just closing the door and when
we were closing the door doesn't exist,

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or are we not talking about it? Or I have had some wisdom writers

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it is a family secret. By
becoming a wisdom writer, they actually have

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revealed a secret they have been keeping
for themselves for many years. So the

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first thing is absolutely acceptance and acknowledgment
that this happened to me. And I

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think that when that first step,
when we take that first step, and

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we know that our core values and
our belief system, both of them leads

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out lives, and both of them
are highly affected by the life lessons we

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acknowledge. And if we are not
able to acknowledge the trauma, then we

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cannot acknowledge the life lessons. So
that is absolutely the first steps to do.

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And because when we can acknowledge the
life lessons and growth pick place,

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and your level of self confidence will
increase. So we find ourselves in now

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a totally different platform and creating our
new life, a new day to day

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life. I think that's that's a
really great point too, and that part

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of it is understanding in acknowlogy what
took place, and then otherwise it kind

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of we do get stuck in that
kind of circular pattern, right, as

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it were, Like we may find
ourselves kind of either be living a moment

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or just finding ourselves stuck at some
other point in our lives. And so,

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you know, I agree in terms
of like figuring out that that kind

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of anchor point in like understanding and
acknowledging what took place, and so that

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one can in fact release it,
right, I'm curious to and as we

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think about that in writing. You
know, you mentioned that there's a number

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of also factors right for wisdom writing, and so I'm curious, you know,

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in terms of the process itself as
you developed this, like can you

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tell us a little bit more about
the other kinds of factors that we need

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to have in order to kind of
have a successful practice kind of excavating one's

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one's life and then and then getting
to know where I was and then how

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I can move forward with that.
What are some of those those factors that

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matter? Yeah, because when we
when we experience pain, we kind of

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have a different storytelling to ourselves.
We are changing the story because our pain

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is it's not a very good advisor
in any way. So we need to

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reframe the experience. Whatever happens to
us, we need to reframe it.

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And when we do, when we
reframe the experience, we also discover the

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wisdom from it. When that happens, we are able to transform our relationship

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to the trauma. And those two
key factors are really important. That's the

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first step because when that happens,
then we can create you can create your

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own bridge, your own healing bridge
between your past to your present and to

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your future. So the first step
is acknowledging and reframing and transforming your relationship

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to the trauma. And then is
the life lessons. We need to identify

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the life lesson And in this specific
method, we have three different categories of

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life lessons that we need to identify, and the first one is identified life

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lessons you've learned about yourself and then
the life lesson you've learned about others,

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and then finally life lessons you've learned
about the world in general. And as

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I said before, when that happens, then then you know how this has

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shaped me and you can easily understand
who you are, where you come from,

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and who you want to become.
Because sometimes when we raise awareness,

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it doesn't mean that we like the
person that we see, and we realize

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that, oh, if I want
to move forward, then I want to

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create more happy life. Then I
want to go in that direction, and

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what do I need to do in
order to move towards that? And also

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remembering that none of us can go
through life without any pain. I mean,

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the road of life give us some
bumps, and so we need to

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be aware of what happens externally how
did that affect me internally? And that

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is obviously also one of the steps. And when we have identified the life

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lessons, it easily to be easy
to turn that into piece of wisdom.

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And so many wisdom writers are our
experience this beautiful gift of giving back to

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others that are currently in the same
situation that they have overcome. And then

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the last step is about expressing love
expressing what you're grateful for. And also

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the big part is the forgiveness work. So those are the key factors in

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the wisdom letter writing. And we
need to also remember that there is a

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specific order to do that because we
want to succeed in every step instead of

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feeling sad or cry, and we
want to empower ourself that this is my

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story and this is what I learned, and then it's more easily to give

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back and to do the work of
forgiveness, both to yourself and to others.

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And it seems to me too that
there's a lot of value and help

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and kind of knowing that there's a
step wise pattern, right, that there

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the pathway that you go through as
part of this process too, because oftentimes,

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as if folks are trying to figure
their lives out right or try to

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kind of put some pieces together from
their past and figure out, you know,

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how they want to move forward,
if you don't have a map,

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it can be very difficult, right, we don't have a compass, like

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what's kind of guiding that that forward? So thinking about this also, I

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think is important, right that we
know that there's a certain pathway we can

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we can lean into, right we
can follow that a specific way to get

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there. Yeah, because it's really
easy when you're revisiting a past trauma.

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It's easy to feel that pain again
and to feel the shame or feel being

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guilty or play the victim card or
whatever negative emotion that could bring, and

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that could easily turn us down to
this dark valley of the fearfulness or hopelessness,

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you know, And so we need
to be aware of that, acknowledging

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and accepting what happened. It's a
way out of the valley of the trauma.

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We're not going to be stuck there. And we have currently we have

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WIST writers all around the globe and
it has been like amazing and beyond results

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all of them, so really exciting
for the for the movement. Yeah.

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I think that that's beautiful too,
and it's and it's great to see and

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to know that that it has grown
into such a global movement, right and

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seeing that folks around the world are
are finding, you know, wisdom and

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being able to connect with themselves with
others too. I think that that's a

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really interesting piece too. I Mean, I'm biased because I'm an anthropologist,

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but you know, I think it's
always interesting to then think, even as

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we think across culturally, right,
and we're looking at working with different folks

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around the world, as you've said
that, there are also still elements that

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we share as humans, right,
and the obviously emotional things that we go

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with and then wanting to have a
sense of understanding who we are in our

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place in the world. You know, these these pieces are are quite important.

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So it's interesting that even if the
expressions themselves might be slightly different in

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different cultures, there are still things
that we hang on to as people,

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right, and that we want to
be able to share. And something that

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you said as we're kind of walking
through the different processes that stood out.

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I think this is another really important
point is that you're noting as folks kind

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of go through this pathway too,
especially as I get towards the ideas around

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expressing love and expressing gratitude, that
there's an element of wanting to also give

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back to others too, right,
So it's not just about you know,

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I mean, it is a very
important part about unlocking myself, right,

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But then part of that too is
then I'm able to kind of give give

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back and kind of pay it forward
to others also, and even I mean,

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I see that in your own work
too, right, that in terms

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of writing a letter to yourself originally
and then kind of building up this process,

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you know with global movement wisdom writers
and connecting with other people. But

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then also you know your work as
an executive in workplace coaching too and helping

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bring and pay that forward. So
I guess I'm curious to hear a little

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bit about this in your story and
your process and moment to recognizing that as

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I heal myself, that I can
also help others find healing for themselves too

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and kind of giving back. So
I'm curious how you connect these these these

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dots as it were, right and
healing oneself and wisdom and then bringing that

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and giving back to others as well. So most wisdom writers are joining this

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movement because they want to give back, and they're using this platform to share

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the stories. And there is a
beautiful gift. There's two beautiful gifts,

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as you said, Adam, in
the wisdom letter writing method. The one

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gift, the first gift is obviously
to yourself because you're healing your trauma,

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your past trauma. The other one
is obviously giving back to others. So

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we are collecting those wisdom letters and
people are standing in from all over the

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globe, and we are collecting those
in a book collection, and currently we

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have twenty nine different titles well.
And so for some people that specific book

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will actually act as a survival guide, and for some people it will be

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like a tremendous treasure of tools that
what can I do to overcome and what

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can I do to create a better
and happier life for myself? So I

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think the mission for me creating the
for Me to You movement was that we

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need to collectively heal. Not just
I can heal my trauma, you can

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heal your trauma, but we need
to collectively heal because what we are seeing

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all around the globe is at the
core that really matters. We are all

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the same. We all want belonging, we all want happiness, purpose fulfillment,

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the meaningful life. We all want
love. So we are more We

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have more commonalities than differences. And
when we see the pain and how we

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handle pain, we can see from
the letters that we are receiving that a

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woman in India who has been raped
has the same issue as a woman in

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Canada who has been raped. We
are struggling, we have the whole specta

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of dealing with pain and emotions.
We are totally the same. So collecting

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those wisdom letters in a book collection
and hopefully we can spread that and and

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how at least a million of people
healing past traumas and and building their own

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bridge and there and there really is
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of storytelling. And you know,
as as humans were wired right to tell

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stories and to hear stories. And
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down you know, histories and legends, but also just you know, how

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we shared how to live in everyday
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majority of I mean still today,
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down these policies and these laws,
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and explore and understand life through stories. And so it's in this case too,

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like a good testament of like why
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them be able to share those stories, especially of kind of coming through trauma

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and into healing with with with oneself
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is something that we can deeply resonate
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as we're looking at different communities across
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that these needs for belonging and purpose
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are a way to help us do
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with with your work is you're doing
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too movement. But then also you've
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you've you know, worked on some
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for Memories, which which is great, and also the subjects themselves in terms

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of you know, making films about
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business coaches and uh and guides and
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also kind of find kind of healing
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movement that you're working on, but
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stories through film also, you know, so tell me about I guess the

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role of storytelling in your life and
you know why you've and how you're exploring

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it in different mediums and and kind
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terms of like, how do we
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would choose film for some documentary,
Why would we choose letters for another version

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of writing? You know, I'm
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idea of how you how you approach
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we need to go back in time
for my childhood that I was. I

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lot of things. But in school, I remembered that we read. My

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school teacher she read books, and
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with storytelling. And she she was
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Stocking and there is a specific big
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away from home. And that was
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if she can run away from home, then I can run away from

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home. And so I think that
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hope to other people. And I
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because hope is hope keep us moving
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sadness and when we feel we are
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only thing that can bring us together
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even though if it's just a baby
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can bring hope to each other.
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I can do it, you can
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you are not alone. So I
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from when I was a little kid
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school was a way for me to
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a happy plate, and believing this
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life somewhere and that I was worth
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boarded to that on that plane to
strangers. So I totally believe that is

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that is the one thing then my
whole life through the coaching business I have

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had my company for over two decades
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client calls me, there is all
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Everybody has a story that needs to
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know it and they stay to me, well, do see, we need

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your help. We want to take
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we need to take you first to
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that everybody has a story, but
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always aware of it. Then when
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the Wisdom letter or we are sharing
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media. And for me, when
I tested out this four step method to

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my coaching clients, I self kind
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had access to the Wisdom letter writing
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to bring this on the larger scale
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to use this and benefit from it. And that's the reason for the creation

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of the shoal Media you app and
people can easily download the app and create

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their own and write their own wisdom
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is also finding out your purpose.
Who do you want to reach who?

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mission to help one million people become
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choose a media that is connected to
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app because it will address a lot
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tool that people can easily use in
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lot of people struggling with for instance, happy happiness. And if we are

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able to create more happy people,
then we are going to make the different

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kind of decisions. So and making
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personally, I would say that if
you have a story, if you're listening

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now and you have a story,
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we can we can share the app
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there, which I think is great
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what you said there as we think
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tell my story? Right? Am
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I? Am I on there for
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wisdom letter? Am I working on
a short film? Am I making a

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podcast? You know? Like whatever
it is, it's it's it's important to

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recognize that how we tell those stories
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figure out our purpose right and who
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of tale that we want to tell? I think that's that's a really great

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point, you know because especially a
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like have come to come of age
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up in the world of there's all
social media, there's you know, digital

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technology, you know, that's at
everybody's fingertips now. So it's easier than

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ever to to kind of create a
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it's an Instagram story on a social
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or you know, put a podcast
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of think about why do we do
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you that everybody has a story to
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why do they make tell a video, why are they making a podcast,

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or why they're writing a blogger writing
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you said that's really important that I
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they're thinking, like they're trying a
media amount to figure out what's the purpose

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of telling that story, right,
Like, what's the way, what's the

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way to tell that story that's going
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I'm going to be able to kind
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to understanding how and who I want
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a really important point that you that
you brought up too, that we have

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stories to tell, but then how
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is me trying to figure out the
purpose of that, right, the purpose

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of the story itself and who I
want to reach. So that's really interesting.

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know you do a lot of work
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as you know, as corporate clients
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to me too that like having worked
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work, I work for myself now, but you know, still work with

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a ton of clients also. But
it's like in these different places, like

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the workplace can be a challenging place
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ironically we spend the third of our
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and part of that is like how
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kind of be in this place that
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don't always totally make sense. There's
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whether you have your boss, you're
a supervisor, that can be a little

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weird. So I'm just I'm curious, you know. You know, we

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have kind of the pathway with with
wisdom writers. Like when you're working with

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corporate clients too, is is it
the same kind of process? You know

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something you you said a bit ago
too when someone says, I want to

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take my visit and to the next
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we gotta get your story first,
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me a bit about, like,
you know, is there anything weirder about

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the workplace that we should think about
in terms of being humans and trying to

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tell our stories. Well, my
coaching clients are executives or leaders in any

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position, or entrepreneurs, and it's
really easy to see their leadership style depending

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on what kind of trauma they had, because if we are dealing with unhealed

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trauma, they one hundred percent totally
as sec your decision making, your core

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values, your believed drip, then
how you are as a leader, how

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you are as a partner, as
a father, as a mother, whatever

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roles you have in your life.
Unhealed traumas will affect you. Then we

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have two different kind of leaders.
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and not closing the door, and
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they have some subconscious triggers that they're
not aware of. And there are the

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other ones who need some help.
If I just say that, who need

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some help because we can see in
your leadership style that how you treat yourself

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and how you treat your employee is
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a past trauma. And I have
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when we have addressed the past trauma, the change, there is a transformation

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that happens and they're no way they
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of leaders they used to be because
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raise awareness and understand ourselves better,
where we come from and why, then

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we are more able and motivated to
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when we acknowledge something. So it's
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in a company the different leadership leadership
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who said, well, I walk
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not. You're walking, but you're
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that what they talk is because that
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affected by the trauma. And so
we need to go back what is your

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core values and how do you express
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literally walk your talk. So it's
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can happen with the productivity and the
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their leaders when the leader transform and
and heal their past trauma. Hmm.

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or watching right now thinking, yeah, man, my boss, my boss

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is kind of crazy. You know, they need to take this this uh

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this this series in these workshops,
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think about how how do I how
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know. It's like it's I think
it's an interesting point too where it's that,

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yeah, you know, even to
come back to something that we were

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talking about at the beginning, where
you you know, when you're writing a

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letter to yourself as a child,
is that oftentimes like when we're in a

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there's there's a group of leaders that
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and that's that's shaping their their leadership
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we must learn to trust ourselves.
It's also helpful to have an external

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partner, person, colleague that can
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that I know it's going to sound
painful to say this, but you know,

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hey, you might want to go
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leadership style or whatever it is.
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where it's like, you know,
healing oneself is also in relationship to

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others too, you know, in
that like in a workplace of course,

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because we're together working on a project
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because we're brought together for a common
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too, like how can we help
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Right that they that it's okay to
have these kinds of conversations, right,

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that's okay to kind of talk about
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but just like you know, whether
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something is a bit challenging, you
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towards the goal of making and writing
more pathways for happy people, you know.

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of it is this too. It's

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like, since we spend so much
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kind of recognize that, you know, and then like, but also then

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if your leader doesn't, what the
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hey, leader, we're going to
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Susie here to help the help think
about this this question at this point.

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You know, how do we like
also make it okay to have those conversations?

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home also do really but you know, recognizing that like what are we carrying

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around that we may not notice in
ourselves that other people might see that we

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could we could actually find a pathway
forward as well. So I'm curious,

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like, does does that happen?
You know? Sometimes do you know folks

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might come to you or may join
the app or join the program and kind

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of say, yeah, I realized
that my spouse was kind of pointing out

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something to me or that I've felt
something weird at work, and then it

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turns out that you know, I
need to resolve something. But you know,

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I'm curious about that is that Do
you see that kind of pathway of

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people kind of coming to this recognizing
through others that I need to make a

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change. Yeah, because some people
are not aware that they're bleeding on other

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people. They don't know. And
so I think the best thing about a

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coach in my role is that for
some leaders, for some executives, it's

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lonely and if they have a corner
man, you know, somebody in their

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corner who can be brutally honest and
say what they need to be, what

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they need to hear, not they
what they want to hear. I think

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that's a difference. And and and
then trust this bill and when we are

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helping, when when I'm helping them
connecting the dogs that you are acting like

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this or you are handling this situation
like this because of and then we're looking

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back and and they're usually reacting with
Wow. Now I understand, because what

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I have heard from many wisdom writers, from executive coaching clients is that there

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is a feeling of freedom that brings
peace to the heart when they address the

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past trauma and and when you you
can operate your leader role from a peaceful

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platform, then you are totally different
kind of leader. So I think most

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of the coaching clients can see and
experient that when I'm a better person,

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when I'm more happy, when I'm
bringing peace, and when I'm aligned with

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my soul, then I am a
better person, a better human to my

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environment, doesn't matter which role I
have in life. And I think that

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we create those half day, a
full day or two days workshop as well

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for the employee because when we can
understand each other better, then we also

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get along better. If I understand
that you have been through this and this,

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then I can understand that you have
a respond to a different issue.

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And also working a lot with triggers
because sometimes we're not aware of our triggers.

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So identifying the triggers and our automatic
responses to the triggers, that's really

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important work that we can do in
the workplace. Yeah, I agree with

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you. I think that that's a
really important point. And do you find

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that is I guess, like do
you do you have any advice for folks

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as they try to figure that out? Right? Like, how how can

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I begin to recognize some of those
triggers. If I if somebody, for

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example, comes to me and says, I have some feedback about a project

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that we're working on, and them
immediately freeze up, and I may not

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notice that I do that, right. You know, how can how can

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we help folks like say to kind
of begin to recognize when when some of

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those triggers, those triggers happen to
themselves. Through all those years of thousands

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of coaching clients, we have seen
when we when we do our study and

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statistics, we have seen that every
challenge it always comes down to three things.

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Your self awareness, your mindset,
and your attitude. So doesn't matter

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what kind of problem you have,
what challenge you have in a workplace,

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it always one of those three or
all three, that's what you need to

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work on. And so I have
developed this specific program it's called the Big

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Three your self awareness, your mindset, and your attitude. Because your mindset,

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you take that with you everywhere.
So you need to be pay attention

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to your mindset, and you also
need to pay attention to your attitude.

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And when you do, when you
cover those two, then your self awareness

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will increase automatically. So if you're
finding yourself in a situation, I think

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the best way is actually to work
backwards. If I'm going into meeting with

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my team, how do I want
to feel when I leave the meeting?

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And then just list that I want
to feel this and this and this all

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right, So if I want to
feel in this way, what do I

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need to do in order to feel
it when I'm walking out the meeting.

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So it's a lot of being proactive
in your work and be more intentional and

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deliberate with your emotion because emotions are
absolutely out triggers, so we need to

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pay attention to those. So the
best advice I can give it one working

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with the Big three two is work
backwards. How do I want to feel?

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What outcome do I want to experience? And when I have When I

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know that, I can easily work
backwards, what do I need to do?

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How do I need to behave in
order to feel that? And so

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this is two easy steps to have
handy in the workplace. Awesome, Now

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that's really that's really helpful. Thank
thanks for sharing that too. I think

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there is such power in being able
to kind of you know, project backwards,

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right, thinking if I go forward, what do I want to see

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as the outcome of this meeting or
whatever this interaction and then be able to

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kind of flop backwards what steps have
to happen in order for that to take

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place. As someone that always has
trouble planning, that's I love the idea

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of this because then it's like it
actually conquatizes how to plan something right,

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because it's like, what do you
want the outcome to be? Start there

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and then go backwards versus what do
I need to do? I don't know.

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If you don't know what your goal
is, it's very hard to get

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there. Yeah, because yeah,
because Adam, usually we are so focused

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on the outcome of the meeting.
I mean, we have different bullet points

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on the agenda. This is what
we want to cover and this is what

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we need to do, but we
often forget ourselves. Who do I need

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to be in that meeting? And
if everybody brings the best stealth to that

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meeting, I promise you you will
experience a different meeting and and we if

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we all could agree upon I want
to I want to leave that meeting feeling

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happy and satisfied and being able to
show my best steff to my co workers

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and and so forth. If everybody
brings that into meeting, then magic happens.

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So yep, and that's that's I
think that's what the that's what the

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work is, right. We can
make magic happen, you know by providing

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that space as we kind of round
out for the the the episode. Just

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want to see if you know,
we have the app coming up, but

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I just want to like anything else
that's exciting that's coming up on your radar

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that that you want folks to know
about that we can share. Well,

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I'm I'm super excited for the app
because we will reach a lot of more

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people globally. And then we have
the book collection starting with my own book

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with my own Star Story coming out, and then the first special edition of

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Wisdom Letters will be a specific project
that I did with the inmates in South

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Carolina prison who became Wisdom Writers.
So I'm super excited for both the app

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and the books coming out and helping
a lot of people bring more happiness to

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the day to day life. Yeah, that's fantastic. So I applaud the

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work. Keep doing the good work, and I'm excited to share it with

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folks. And thanks so much,
Thank you, Adam thank you for having

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me. As we wrap up today's
compelling discussion with Susie Matts, and I'm

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reminded of the immense power storytelling holds
in our lives. Our individual narratives,

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whether inscribed in a wisdom letter or
shared in a meeting room, possess transformative

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potential, not just for ourselves,
but for those around us. Susie's work

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demonstrates the efficiency of this personal and
collective healing process as it transcends geographic boundaries

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and touches countless lives worldwide. Someone
to express my heartfelt gratitude to Susie for

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joining me and sharing her wisdom on
the podcast, and for shedding light on

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the liberating act of acknowledging past trauma, reframing experiences, and giving back.

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So as we wrap up, I
want to leave us with a question,

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how could you apply wisdom writing or
another form of expression or storytelling in your

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daily life and what might that unveil
for you? What steps could you take

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to bring out your best self in
every interaction, whether personal or professional.

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It's something that we all want to
work towards, right So I encourage you

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to sit with these thoughts and discuss
them with friends or family and maybe even

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jot them down in your own wisdom
letter. And as always, I wanted

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to extend my sincere gratitude for your
continued support. Please don't be shy about

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sharing your insights, feedback, or
suggestions for future episodes. And if you'd

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like to delve deeper into any of
these topics, you can check out for

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Me to You Global Movement, the
upcoming app, and the book Collections that

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Susie mentioned in the episode. You
could even share your own wisdom letter now

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in the world. So thank you
again for joining me on this journey,

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and remember that every story matters,
including yours. I'm your host Edel Gamwell

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